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Dept. of thoughts, lunaserpent, December 18, 2003 at 8:40:39 PM CET is ethnology unnecessary? yesterday i met a girl in a course. she told me that she's trying to do her MA after the 5th semester. she's "hurrying" because she wants back in her job, in tourism industry, earning money. She said to earn more money she had to study; she has chosen ethnology because it's so easy and no demand at all; she's interested in ohter people and their way of living. In her opinion ethnology is not necessary as a institution at university at all. For her the people who are interesting for ethnogists died out anyway.....I ask YOU now: do you think she understands what she is studying? should she take a degree in ehtnology? what's your opinion? i think that she knows a lot what the ethnography sais, but she does not understand..... and i think she's a shame for the subject..... ... Comment
kerleone, December 19, 2003 at 2:19:58 PM CET
1. Anthropology is not a "easy subject". This idea stems from the opposite fact, which is that anthropology has such a huge diversity, that it's difficult to form the most important bundle of facts that have to be learned, as in other subjects. Anthropology needs to be done enthusastically, it's not learning something by order. You need to get involved active. 2. It's not a bad thing to do the study fast and to concentrate to getting a job later. If she want's to go in the tourism industry, it's a good idea to concentrate on that topic and to get a feeling which knowledge of anthropology may be of value in this business. It's not that the ecnomy doesn't need anthropologists, see also this article. 3. If she says the people anthropology is interested in, died out, she in fact does not understand anthropology. I think, anthropology is the science of the other, of the cultural unknown, as you need a different methodology if you do research on something totally alien. Further, culture is a always moving subject, and 100 years ago other "people and cultures died out", but nobody did recognize as anthropology was just in the beginning. And don't forget that cultural groups are always constructs. And there's also a "before" and a "after". 4. Should she take a degree in anthropology? I can't answer that question. Depends, how and about what she wants to work later. Could be that sociology would have been the more adequate subject. In any case: she should concentrate on topics she is enthusiastic for and can get involved. 5. That she dosn't understand is maybe the wrong expression, maybe it's more that she don't want to unterstand in the sense she has another opinion. Well, isn't that tolerable? ... Link
warauduati, December 19, 2003 at 2:51:29 PM CET
kerleone, regarding point 5. I think you are right... although I had written it differently, I agree that we should tolerate other opinions...
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kerleone, December 19, 2003 at 3:56:54 PM CET
Well, you're right, if it's the case that she only wants to get a degree quickly, she's always wrong at university, but especally in anthropology. I was trying to answer the question by trying to be optimistic and to explain what I think is *not* solely bad in the different problematic points of that student. Looked at it as a whole case, and with a little estimating about this student and her point of view, I could come to a similiar conclusion as you ... With "getting a degree quickly" I meant studying diligent and focussed, not skipping everything nonessential for the degree. ... Link ... Comment
warauduati, December 19, 2003 at 2:24:38 PM CET
Yes, I think you are absolutely right. There are several people who are trying to finish their Ethnology studies within very little time. I believe our subject indeed appears to be little challenging sometimes and that the demand isn't very high, but that's only on the surface. Because after the first four to six semestres you start to realize what Anthropology really is about and that it is academically for sure one of the MOST important subjects there are... This for sure you only realize if you really READ and UNDERSTAND !!!
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lunaserpent, December 20, 2003 at 11:07:03 PM CET
thank you very much for your comments. i'm surprised and happy that i started such a discussion...i think that my understanding of ethnology is simliars to yours, warauduati. it seems that demand is not very high, but that's only on surface. while i'm studying i had to reflect my own position, opinions, ...my whole way of living...and i tried (and still try) to do it as "objectively" as possible. for me that's it's a hard part and the "real" demand in the study: it takes away all the basis of your life, the faith in whatever you believe in (and i don't especially mean in "god" or "church" ect.). for example: does medcine "really" help me? or is it only me belive in the way of medcine i grew up with? if i try to explain friends, who have nothing to do with ethnology, that healing by an operation "works" because the patient believes in it, they don't understand at all. so i think what i learn makes me kind of "unsocial". and i think it's the hardest part in ethnology to explain non-ethnologist, what i'm doing and "translating". but the same time ethnology "takes away" my faith, believe, interpretaion of the world, it gives me back so much, because i can at least try to choose in what i believe in..... ... Link ... Comment
praying mantis, December 19, 2003 at 10:14:30 PM CET
Today's widley spread lack of ideals, fate, believe, call it what you want. God is dead for a long time now. So why quest for perception? Arts and sciences vanish in senslessness, so why waste time with un-answerable questions, imperfect theories and finally black despair, as answers lead to new questions? money is the new, easy God, self-production the new satisfaction. Do not think to deeply, do not dare to travel under the surface, it only hurts ... The ways people chose differ, and they have my blessings to do what they think is best for them. I dont think to earn more money in futur is a proper reason to study, and not part of a universities duties. jm2c ... Link
zephyrin, December 22, 2003 at 1:08:12 PM CET
On pragmatism and responsibility
I very much embrace this discussion -- it's proof of the fact that our students constitute a reasoning, critical, reflecting and self-conscious group of developing academics. And I second the arguments brought forth so far. Allow me to throw in my two cents by citing a consensus-paper of self-definition by the staff of our institute [originally written in German]: ... Link
warauduati, December 22, 2003 at 4:00:08 PM CET
way to go, zephyrin, couldn't have expressed it better, of course (as you can read above) ... ;-)
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