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McDonaldization or IKEAzation!?


Ikea, worlds biggest furniture seller, opend its first shop in Bejing, China, as "Die Zeit" reports (in german). By doing this, the swedish francisor not only exports western furniture-concepts but represents western lifestyle in Asia. The article tells entertaining anecdotes on how the chinese people and IKEA management cope with unforseen cultural challanges. What do you think about commercial spread of cultur? Adoption, integration, assimilation or replacment of the local? My personal feelings range from enthusiasm about the global village to deep concern about the decay of local traditions... what would a ethnologist answer?


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Some answers are to be found in 'Golden Arches East: McDonald's in East Asia', edited by James L. Watson, Stanford Uni Press 1997. Five Contributions of anthropologists on what McDonalds does and means in East Asia. Especially the essay of Yan Yunxiang on Beijing is valuable. Altogether the book seems a bit too optimistic and naive. People have said that Watson and his contributors have been sponsored by McDonalds for giving such a positive account of the golden arches.
- - besides: I went to McDonalds last week, the first time in 2 or 3 years, and still found it disgusting. Now they have everywhere all kinds of PR ideas to make it seem healthy, organic, and even open days where you can watch how the food is prepared. I don't wanna see that. Cheers to Kerleone:))

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0804732078/103-2584406-1943016?v=glance

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Hi there vernant, my point of view follows instantly ;-)

My advice is not to see things too simple. Don't forget that companies tend to go the easy way, they try to serve markets or niches where they can earn money or where the think that is a demand.
The idea of a company transferring goods and demand for it all together into a culture is too simple. Just think of yourself and ikea: are you feeling colonized by the ikea here in munich? Or do you think that it could be useful and interesting for some people?

There are two problems regarding the fear of commercial spread of culture. First of all, a McDonalds or Ikea in Asia or Germany is never the same as it was in Amerika/Sweden, only on the surface. It may be the same food, but all the social behaviour of the people is still a special one. I tend to say provocative: If I as a german go to Mcdonals, McDonals is necessarily german as it's german culture to go there. My understanding of Mcdonalds is german. My needs and goals of going there are german. Me liking it is german.

The other point is, that the fear of commercial spread of culture bears some kind of "positive colonialism" inside. The idea of us protecting the natives against our bad cultural influences. This gives me a vision of an asian standing before a McDonalds in Munich and trying to convince me that I have to eat Schweinsbraten instead of burgers to save my cultural soul. Culture is not a set of things and behaviours, it's the principle of the change of things and behaviours. People can decide where to go and what to do.

The last sentence guides me through to the border of my liberal view. A bad thing would be if the people can't decide any more which cultural way to live. This would be the case if we have only ikea or McDonalds to buy furniture or prepared food. But this is rather a problem in communistic systems than in capitalistic. And it was a problem in the conquest of south-america: Not giving them the axe and the horse, but taking their land was the problem.

In todays globalization debate, the far bigger problem of repression of people is not the buying side, its the earning side of the people. It's not that they have to buy Coca-Cola, it's that they have to work for them under circumstances, that may hinder them in living there own way of life.

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Global Logo, Local Meaning

Kerleone has a very good point there ... and I agree and might add the following:

Products from countries or cultures being introduced to another country or culture are never the same as in their origin. An example: McDonalds opened the first restaurant in India just a few years ago. As in Hinduism the cow is a holy animal, it would be imposible to serve Hamburgers, Cheeseburgers and BigMacs there. Therefore, the company had to create a new menue just for the market in India introducing vege-curry-whatsoever-burgers...

This phenomena is seen for various global logos and in the debate of globalization. It's not that globalization means that everything will be the same one day around the world. Cultures always have been in contact with others. Cultures always developed by cultural contact. Also nowadays, global logos only are successful if these is given a local meaning by the people. To use the earlier example: in India McDonalds is just the brand, the "global logo", the meaning is a totally different. It might still be a new form of living (fast food, drive-through, different way of cooking, etc.) but the meaning is interpreted by the people in India themselves.

On one hand I think that no one can deny speaking of some sort of globalization in terms of assimilation because the global network has never been as "wide" as it is now, but still on the other hand the local meaning plays the most important role and in most cases has been overseen by researchers in the past. Cultures always developed by absorbing other things, by assimilating to another culture and by electing what is "useful" and what not.

Further reading:
Lindner, Rolf, 1999: Globales Logo, lokaler Sinn. In: Giordano, Christian und Johanna Rolvshoven (Hg.), Europäische Ethnologie, Ethnologie Europas. Freiburg/Schweiz, 173-182.

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Mc Donalds and Liberalism

back again. I think this discussion is crucial, because it's not only about McDonalds but about Liberalism and late Capitalism in general. And I have still several problems with Kerleone's views on those issues.

First, I doubt that many people would agree that McDonalds is "german culture", whatever that is. Could you elaborate what is "german" about it, about your liking it etc?

Second, I don't think that concentration, cartells and monopolies are only a problem of communism. And where does the desire to buy something come from? Certainly not always out of sober reasoning, but because of ideological domination, a whole industry dedicated to the production of desires (in advertising, design, promotion).

Third, I don't understand your point about south america. Probably that indigenous people had no choice, but have been defeated in violent struggles. But the conquista was done by feudal European powers. A quite different context is India, where you can clearly see the devastating effects of bourgeois liberal ideology: which meant the abolishment of all kinds of state intervention, institutions, safeguard mechanisms. The consequences were unprecedented dislocation, misery and famines. But it meant also a huge advantage for the European colonial powers, who talked about free trade, imposed it upon economically weaker others, and protected their own economies (from 'Permanent Settlement' in India to the WTO now). (that's more or less the argument of Mike Davis in 'Late victorian Holocausts').

Finally, I'm not sure whether the underlying problem is on the earning side. Consumption plays an ever increasing role in our lives, take for example marketing, advertising, the attention paid by anthropologists to consumption, etc. On the other side, the part of production is ever more fragmented: Very few people in advanced capitalist countries expect to find a life job and to stay all their life at the same place.
Which could mean that now the same dynamics (desires, everything becoming an event and an adventure) which are important for promoting consumption are also important for the reasons people chose their jobs (when compared with the 60s for example). Of course there are still way too many people whose choice is rather based on necessity. But I think you cannot separate consumption and production, and that similar dynamics work in both.

I remember a discussion I had a couple of weeks ago on what being a "liberal" meant. A Southafrican, an Argentinan and a Turkish friend all agreed that where they come from, "liberal" is either avowedly used as a four-letter-word or together with the adjective "fucking". In European contexts it has mostly quite positive connotations. Why is that?

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Thanx guys, for feedback! I am still a beginner in ethno, so please be gentle ;-)

Thinking about it I tend to agree with kerleone, especially when you think in longer terms of time. I never felt colonialized by IKEA or H&M or McD because it always was there, since I was born. It never felt foreign and therefor for me it became part of my every-day life ... and by that in a broader perspective part of my understanding of being german. It is not yet part of german tradition, though. But what do I think of that fact? Am I upset, because things ain't the way they used to be anymore? No, in that particular case I'm not. McD and Co are more or less comfortable opportunities to eat, to furniture, to buy clothes, to express myself, whatever, I enjoy having them. But how would I feel about some circumstances (for example a foreign exporting company) taking away from me eg. Biergärten, Football, free Universities, Pfannkuchen etc.? I would get as mad as I would, if someone would take away my beloved IKEA, my kungfu school in munic, my japanese car or Internet.

Culture changes every day in many different ways ... commercially driven changes are among the fastest and therefor are often highly aggressive, fast changes hurt, superficially said. I never asked, but I am sure, my grandparents were sad about foreign companies ruling out german wooden rural furniture style ...maybe thats why they visit those ugly restaurants from time to time ... :D

Real hazards exist, though, as kerleone said, when people are kept from choosing their way of live (even this might be interpreted as quite individualistic or eurocentric point of view). And not being able to choose where to buy fastfood or furniture indeed is a very essential problem of capitalistic systems. The negative effects of developments creating monopolies are clearly demonstrated by Microsoft. Maybe those dangers are even bigger in non-capitalistic countries, because of a lack of expiriences.

Thinking of capitalism, wages and prices. Being forced to choose capitalism is happening in the world, too. Either live in poverty or be forced into capitalistic employment to be able to pay priced commodities to me means not having the choice of living the life you prefer, too. But these are prozesses, they tend to balance out... I hope =)

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Ugh!

praying mantis herbalist now!

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Who dwells in a green camper here?! :D

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lol, now i get it :D thnx^^ *doh*

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